Posted by: Wretched on September 24, 2003 at 20:32:08

: I understand what you're saying Dave, I believe it's called the law of diminishing returns. You're assumption however is wrong in that the same players that attend promoter game a, will or must attend game b. You might as well ask the question, why are there ANY paintball fields within 50 miles of each other? The solution is simple economics, it is in your best interest as the consumer to have these games in close proximity to one another. The reason is simple, competition in any given market generates the best possible outcome for the consumer, or in this case, the player. If Game A were to be the only game in that month, then all of those potential players would only have one option of play. The result, promoter A can charge whatever he/she would like for their game and not necessarily offer the best game/product. The end result is most likely that you would pay a very high price and not necessarily get the best product. With promoters hosting games within weeks or even days of each other you now have choices based on affordability and quality. : If promoters know that they can offer you a not so great product at a higher price because you as a player have no other options and as a result maximize their profits, smart business men will do this. On the other hand if they're forced to compete for your $500 or so dollars, the end result to you is much better. I'm not trying to come off as arrogant or insulting, please dont take it that way, but this is basic econ for a healty marketplace. The other point I forgot to make is that you're theorizing that the promoters should somehow work together to get your money. Why would you ever want that? That's not beneficial to you the player. What you want is healthy competition, you want these promoters to compete for your dollar, not carefully strategize together how to get more money out of you. I will say however that you're every promoters dream. What would ultimately draw your business? A great scenario game at an affordable price due to stiff competition? Or a game you have to settle for at a higher price because promoters work their schedules together in order to get more money from you? Promoters get upset about games being scheduled so close to their own because they ultimately know that they must compete, they must show that they have a better product to offer at a better price. This is always going to keep them from maximizing their profits. The real problem I find in the paintball industry is that the everyday practices of players and manufacturers is ass backwards from how most other industries function. What I'm truly tired of are the promoters getting upset about this issue and players who support their whining about it. Again, nothing hostile, just making a good arguement and adding in my two cents. please reply, Wretched : : : : its not the prices i questions its promotor a planning a game in the same area promotor b is a week or two later and the two promotors why they arent making the money they should ---- my theory is there are x number of players with y number of dollars which equals z profit to the promotor--- and its related to the time frame it all haappens in example in oct in a given 50 mile area there are only so many folks who play screncio pb that can spent the 500 or so dollars to do a game (2 players) 2 games instead of one you divide this number maybe not in half but you will draw perhaps 0nly 70 percent of what you could have : : opinions?? : : dave the coalition

Follow Ups: Re: you miss the point --- dave "_dave__from_the_coalition" ciarcia 21:01:46 09/24/03 (1) Re: you miss the point --- Wretched 21:29:24 09/24/03 (0) Post a Followup Show your name as: DefaultRealnameBothNickname E-Mail address (eg: joeschmoe@aol.com): Show your e-mail address? DefaultYesNo Your Password: Don't have a password? CLICK HERE - Forgot your password? CLICK HERE Subject: Subject:Message: : : I understand what you're saying Dave, I believe it's called the law of diminishing returns. You're assumption however is wrong in that the same players that attend promoter game a, will or must attend game b. You might as well ask the question, why are there ANY paintball fields within 50 miles of each other? The solution is simple economics, it is in your best interest as the consumer to have these games in close proximity to one another. The reason is simple, competition in any given market generates the best possible outcome for the consumer, or in this case, the player. If Game A were to be the only game in that month, then all of those potential players would only have one option of play. The result, promoter A can charge whatever he/she would like for their game and not necessarily offer the best game/product. The end result is most likely that you would pay a very high price and not necessarily get the best product. With promoters hosting games within weeks or even days of each other you now have choices based on affordability and quality. : : If promoters know that they can offer you a not so great product at a higher price because you as a player have no other options and as a result maximize their profits, smart business men will do this. On the other hand if they're forced to compete for your $500 or so dollars, the end result to you is much better. I'm not trying to come off as arrogant or insulting, please dont take it that way, but this is basic econ for a healty marketplace. : : The other point I forgot to make is that you're theorizing that the promoters should somehow work together to get your money. Why would you ever want that? That's not beneficial to you the player. What you want is healthy competition, you want these promoters to compete for your dollar, not carefully strategize together how to get more money out of you. I will say however that you're every promoters dream. : What would ultimately draw your business? A great scenario game at an affordable price due to stiff competition? Or a game you have to settle for at a higher price because promoters work their schedules together in order to get more money from you? : Promoters get upset about games being scheduled so close to their own because they ultimately know that they must compete, they must show that they have a better product to offer at a better price. This is always going to keep them from maximizing their profits. The real problem I find in the paintball industry is that the everyday practices of players and manufacturers is ass backwards from how most other industries function. : What I'm truly tired of are the promoters getting upset about this issue and players who support their whining about it. : Again, nothing hostile, just making a good arguement and adding in my two cents. : please reply, : Wretched : : : : : : : its not the prices i questions its promotor a planning a game in the same area promotor b is a week or two later and the two promotors why they arent making the money they should ---- my theory is there are x number of players with y number of dollars which equals z profit to the promotor--- and its related to the time frame it all haappens in example in oct in a given 50 mile area there are only so many folks who play screncio pb that can spent the 500 or so dollars to do a game (2 players) 2 games instead of one you divide this number maybe not in half but you will draw perhaps 0nly 70 percent of what you could have : : : opinions?? : : : dave the coalition [ Follow Ups ] [ Post Followup ] [ WARPIG Rec Talk ]