Posted by: DaveA on December 02, 2002 at 14:07:16

to recap a little, CO2 is stored as a liquid. When you shoot your gun, the co2 is being released into the atmosphere and it quickly boils. Unlike water, it's boiling point is very low. To achieve the boil, it snatches heat from whatever is close, and this causes the freezing. Liquid CO2 doesn't permanently damage orings, or seals, unless it's really old stuff made from rubber, but it can make it so that the seals these orings are supposed to be making airtight, become leaky or inefficient, and that leads to gun trouble. Whereas handwarmers on the bottle don't get hot enough to really be effective, you can do what all CO2 guys have had to do through the ages. Go Remote. The coiled remotes are more effective than the steel braided, by virtue of being a longer passage- thus more area to grab heat from to make the co2 boil. You can try running your remote up your shirt/jacket sleeve, this can help add some body warmth to the remote. You can also try strapping on those hand warmers to the hose, and since it's a thinner wall than your bottle, it will be more effective in helping the boil. Anyone with any sense has long poo-pooed the idea of using battery operated handwarmers directly on the bottle. This is because when you're not shooting, the heat on the bottle will not be dissipating through the boil off- and the temperture of the bottle will rise causing the inner PSI of the bottle to increase. This in itself isn't dangerous, because of the burst disk which are set to 1200psi or so, but nothing stinks more than blowing your burstdisk in the winter cuz it spews freezing co2 all over you, and that could give you minor frostbite. As for shooting liquid, tippmanns definitely can do it, but to be honest, I've never thought shooting liquid was a very good thing in the winter. The 'reason' being that the co2 still has to boil, just less so because the volume of liquid co2 being released from the valve is larger than the volyme of gassy co2. But where does it grab the heat from? From the gun, from the paintball, from the barrel. The way I see it, if the breech gets too cold, you'll be potentially freezing your balls off, as it were. Nothing stinks more than frozen balls, as usually they become frozen gack, which does NOT mark well even on goggles. Chad, though, has obviously shot many a round through his prolite in the winter.

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