Posted by: Dale "Head_Hunters" DuPont on July 24, 2003 at 23:49:03

: : Gotin All the front end kits run off the operating pressure of the main inline reg. Since it has its OWN regulator, it is unaffected by the operating pressure of the inline regulator. Most front ends run in the 50-125 psi range. So as long as the Main is higher, it isn't a problem. That said, what is your performance goal of getting the front end kit? What do you expect to improve for the money you spend? Since the stock ram and reg can feed 15 rps + there is no need to upgrade either to increase your rate of fire. Even with a E Blade set on full auto. Some folks will differ with me but I still stand by that. I have yet to hear the rate of fire groupies say their grip outran a stock ram or front reg. Now stay away from any kits that have hose barbs that are SMALLER than the stock barbs. A smaller hole means you have to set the pressure of the front reg HIGHER to get the same VOLUME though that barb in the same amount of time. It could be a restriction in cycle rate at low front reg pressures combined with very high rates of fire. But for the 5 rps finger, they work fine. BUT don't mix and match barb sizes on your front end. They can be a bear to find the right size HOSE to fit Both size barbs. Well you DO get a knob to play with on a lot of the front end kit regulators. You do know the stock regulator is internally adjustable. Once you get it set, you generally don't touch it. The knob is more a convenience item than a performance item. Now I WILL endorse a shorted stroke 3 way. Less trigger travel will activate and deactivate the 3 way valve and thus bolt action. It can significantly reduce short strokes. It also takes some getting used to. They are a BEAR to time. Must have a threaded 3 way rod. 1/8 turn either way of 'perfect' will act up on the field of play. Fair warning. If you don't have the unslotted trigger plate, you haven't gained much unless you get one.

Follow Ups: Re: Front end and LP? Gotin_Drachenhart 18:12:05 07/26/03 (1) Ok Some more thoughts Dale "Head_Hunters" DuPont 19:29:03 08/07/03 (0) Post a Followup Show your name as: DefaultRealnameBothNickname E-Mail address (eg: joeschmoe@aol.com): Show your e-mail address? DefaultYesNo Your Password: Don't have a password? CLICK HERE - Forgot your password? CLICK HERE Subject: Subject:Message: : : : : Gotin : All the front end kits run off the operating pressure of the main inline reg. Since it has its OWN regulator, it is unaffected by the operating pressure of the inline regulator. Most front ends run in the 50-125 psi range. So as long as the Main is higher, it isn't a problem. : That said, what is your performance goal of getting the front end kit? : What do you expect to improve for the money you spend? : Since the stock ram and reg can feed 15 rps + there is no need to upgrade either to increase your rate of fire. Even with a E Blade set on full auto. Some folks will differ with me but I still stand by that. I have yet to hear the rate of fire groupies say their grip outran a stock ram or front reg. : Now stay away from any kits that have hose barbs that are SMALLER than the stock barbs. A smaller hole means you have to set the pressure of the front reg HIGHER to get the same VOLUME though that barb in the same amount of time. It could be a restriction in cycle rate at low front reg pressures combined with very high rates of fire. : But for the 5 rps finger, they work fine. BUT don't mix and match barb sizes on your front end. They can be a bear to find the right size HOSE to fit Both size barbs. : Well you DO get a knob to play with on a lot of the front end kit regulators. You do know the stock regulator is internally adjustable. Once you get it set, you generally don't touch it. The knob is more a convenience item than a performance item. : Now I WILL endorse a shorted stroke 3 way. Less trigger travel will activate and deactivate the 3 way valve and thus bolt action. It can significantly reduce short strokes. It also takes some getting used to. : They are a BEAR to time. Must have a threaded 3 way rod. 1/8 turn either way of 'perfect' will act up on the field of play. Fair warning. : If you don't have the unslotted trigger plate, you haven't gained much unless you get one. [ Follow Ups ] [ Post Followup ] [ WARPIG Tech Talk - Autococker / Minicocker ]